Teen Problems

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Submitted by Honey on Tue, 02/10/2004 - 3:03pm.

My friend is having difficulties with her almost thirteen year old daughter. He DD is mouthy, disobedient, arriving late at school every day (despite having left home early), not doing her schoolwork or homework, being cheeky and rude to her mother and to her teachers, and nasty to her little brother. She habitually lies. She says she doesn't care about anything. She has even said she doesn't care if she goes 'into care'. She often appears to be very angry for no apparent reason. She often comes home late. Today for example she arrived home at 6pm from school, instead of 4.30. Last Friday she didn't arrive home until after 7. She doesn't ring her mother to tell her where she is.

Background - Her father is erratic and inconsistent with regard to seeing his children. Recently he has written a letter to my friend saying he doesn't want to see them ever again. The children are aware of this. Her younger brother has special needs and can be very naughty and demanding.

Whatever discipline or sanctions her mother or the school impose make no difference to her behaviour. She walks away from teachers when they are attempting to rebuke her, and doesn't turn up for detentions. She is currently grounded, but still arrived home late from school today. She is supposed to attend a 'homework club' after school, where she can do her homework, but failed to attend yesterday and the school have now excluded her from school for three days as a punishment.

What can a parent do when any discipline or punishment imposed makes no difference? I have never had this situation (thank goodness) with DS12. They are now at the stage where she is grounded, in trouble at school, not allowed her stereo and CDs, or allowed any money. She is still behaving badly. The school head said 'children with behaviour like this believe they have a right to nice things and possessions and they have to be shown that having such things is not a right and has to be earned'. The head suggests that if she continues to misbehave her possessions and freedoms are all removed until all she has left is her bed. This is what my friend is planning to do, on the Head's advice.

My take on the situation is this - I think that my friend's DD is lacking in self esteem and feels unloved and is probably trying to provoke some kind of reaction. She has never had a close relationship with her mother, has been treated badly by her father, has a younger brother who needs an awful lot of attention, and on top of all that has always struggled keeping up academically. I think no wonder she is unsettled and upset. However she is behaving (and I can vouch for the fact that she is sometimes extremely trying to deal with!), I think she is crying out. She must be hurting to be behaving as she is.

Her Mum asked for my advice so I gently suggested to her Mum that maybe she could approach the problem from a different angle, and try to spend more one to one time with her daughter (Her DD has recently said she believes her mother loves her brother more). I suggested I mind the younger child while mother and daughter went out for lunch at the weekend or something. My friend is adamant that her daughter's behaviour is so confrontational, and disobedient and even nasty on occasion (all true) that she doesn't deserve to be have treats or money spent on her until she has 'earned it'. She also won't return her possessions and privileges until the behaviour improves. Trouble is, it shows no sign of improving.

I can see my friend's point about not wanting to give her treats, but on the other hand, she isn't getting along with her Mum or her brother, she can't keep up academically, her father has rejected her, and now her possessions and freedoms have all been removed. No wonder she is just getting angrier and angrier.

My friend is at the end of her rope.
What do you wise people think? Any ideas?


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agree with you Honey

Submitted by Becky on Tue, 02/10/2004 - 3:36pm.

I agree with you on your solution. She should also take the girl to the doctor because so many low-grade illnesses (not just depression and anxiety) can affect one's mood--she could have something as little as sinus trouble.

My boss at the youth club told me to ignore misbehavior and pay attention to good behavior as much as possible, and it worked better than anything else I tried.

Also your friend sounds so overwhelmed that perhaps sending her to some type of fun activity (such as a youth club) once or twice a week would be a good idea for both of them. Who wants to be cooped up constantly with her mother, or with a 13-year-old?

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"sending her"

Submitted by Becky on Tue, 02/10/2004 - 3:36pm.

I meant the DD, but I suppose it would work for either one!

Andrea's picture

you may be right!

Submitted by Andrea on Tue, 02/10/2004 - 5:11pm.

For what it's worth Honey, I think you may be right. Often these things are cries for attention. And you are very generous to offer to help out. of course the solution may be long-term, not just a couple of lunches with Mom... best wishes to her ~~

Andrea

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Another vote for your opinion

Submitted by Fern on Tue, 02/10/2004 - 7:06pm.

Another vote for your opinion, Honey. Sounds like a cry for someone to listen up to me. I think you were right to encourage her mom to spend more one on one time with her. Girls that age sometimes want to talk to Mom about things they don't want brothers hearing. It's important not to get bent out of shape about anything the child might say and just let her talk, listen, then try to help her with solutions to her problems.

The daughter getting hateful/disrespectful to the teachers also would make me question lots of other things than just normal teenage moodiness,etc.

Just my non-professional opinion, but I would be finding out where the child goes after school, making sure there is no bullying, no sexual pressure from anywhere and no drugs involved. A counselor or even a trusted friend she might talk with would be a good start if she won't talk to mom. It may just be that she is feeling unloved by Dad (which by the way would be highly traumatic for most girls) and assuming Mom feels the same since she is busy with younger brothers needs, which to a child adds up to feeling something is wrong with themselves. You wouldn't believe how many people with special needs children that I've heard make remarks that at some point the other children in the family feel like they come in second place.

This subject touches me because I have a daughter that age also. It isn't a picnic dealing with teens in any event, but what you are describing goes a bit beyond the norm. Also, just an observation on my part, but do the school heads there normally take that much interest in what goes on at home with a child?. . . .I mean enough to make suggestions as to how Mom should approach the problem at home? Just curious.

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thanks for your input

Submitted by Honey on Wed, 02/11/2004 - 3:50am.

I think that's a good suggestion about taking her to the doctor, I hadn't thought of that. Good idea about her going to a youth club too, she used to go to one at one point, I don't know what happened about that. It may be that is one of the privileges that have been withdrawn.

I didn't mean to suggest that a couple of lunches would sort it all out. I was thinking of making a start on improving her relationship with her mother really. I would look after the younger child once a week or so if it would help. Although he can be difficult, he has a kind of 'little brother' relationship with my DS12, so they get along quite nicely.

Fern, my friend had been called in to a meeting to discuss her DD's work and behaviour, and was telling the Head that the behaviour at home was just as bad and that she didn't know what to do because no punishments work. That is the context in which the Head made her suggestion.

She was wilful and could be a bit rude as a younger child and it has got worse as she has grown older. Everything has just escalated over the last year or so, since she started at the secondary school. There is a real 'yob culture' operating in this area (East London) and some of what goes on in the schools is appalling. Even this school, which academically is the best in the local area and which people try hard to get their children into. I think my friend's daughter is easily led and it would help if she had positive role models amongst her friends. She seems to gravitate towards the troublemakers, however. Her mother has no idea where she goes when she is out of the house, and can't trust anything that she says.

She has a 'learning mentor' assigned to her at school, but is as rude and uncooperative with her as she is to her mother and the teachers. I believe they do have a counselor at the school though, maybe that is worth a try. That would only help if she could be persuaded to go, though.

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helping

Submitted by Andrea on Wed, 02/11/2004 - 11:47am.

It is really nice of you to be so concerned and to offer to help out Honey! I know you probably realized that it would be a long-term thing - I just would hate to see you get in over your head as far as the time goes!

Becky's picture

combination

Submitted by Becky on Sat, 02/14/2004 - 10:54am.

It seems to me that the decreased privileges and increased attention would actually be fairly easy to combine: keep the no TV rule, no nice things rule, etc., but make exceptions for grounding when she is going out with her mother.

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