The Cervical Cancer Vaccine

It's interesting this came up, I just got a bracelet-making kit in the mail promoting this very vaccine: Merck is lobbying the states to require HPV vaccinations for girls.
Merck & Co. is helping bankroll efforts to pass state laws requiring girls as young as 11 or 12 to receive the drugmaker's new vaccine against the sexually transmitted cervical-cancer virus.
Some conservatives and parents'-rights groups say such a requirement would encourage premarital sex and interfere with the way they raise their children, and they say Merck's push for such laws is underhanded. But the company said its lobbying efforts have been above-board. ...
Gardasil, approved by the federal government in June, protects girls and women against strains of the human papillomavirus, or HPV, that are responsible for most cases of cervical cancer. A government advisory panel has recommended that all girls get the shots at 11 and 12, before they are likely to be sexually active.
But no state has yet to add Gardasil to the list of vaccinations youngsters must have under law to be enrolled in school.
I am, as always, against states legislating this sort of thing; vaccination is a decision parents should be making for children, not the state. However I am supportive of this particular vaccine.
We're selective (and delayed) vaxers in our house. The kids didn't get the chicken pox vaccine; they did get the MMR and polio vaccines. And when the time comes I'll definitely be getting the girls vaccinated for HepB and HPV.
The argument that vaccinating against HPV somehow encourages premarital sex is ridiculous. I just can't imagine a girl saying to herself, "Well! Things sure are heating up in the back seat here with Jimmy! Guess I better cool things down or I might get HPV since Daddy wouldn't let me be vaccinated!" Because I remember being 17 and being hot and bothered enough that nothing else really mattered all that much. (And no, there was no Jimmy, nor a back seat, more's the pity. I just sat around by myself being hot and bothered.)
Not only that, but there's no guarantee that if Jimmy marries the girl before she has sex with him that he hasn't had premarital sex himself--and then passes on HPV to his virginal wife. Punishing your daughter by potentially giving her cervical cancer if she has sex--at any point in her life--seems, well, not really all that loving an attitude for a parent to take.
The bracelet? Josie's wearing it. In two years, she'll get that vaccine. I may or may not be here when she's a grown woman, but wherever I am I want to know that I did right by her--and I want her to know it, too. If a vaccine can stop her from getting cervical cancer, you bet I want her to have it.
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Comments
Weak argument
I agree Lynn. What a weak and backward argument for not vaccinating. It's like the old days when girls were told they were't virgins if they wore tampons. Does the vaccine inject promiscuous cooties? I'm a vaccinator, do it on schedule. I'm a conservative gal and an abstinence promoter, and I still don't think my daughter will lose her virginity just because of a vaccine. I have a little more faith in the values we teach in our home and my daughter's ability to make choices.
Tangent but vaccine related: My kids got the chicken pox vaccine even when our pediatrician was leary because it was so new. My husband has never had the pox and with the added headache of Crohn's disease we decided to do all we could to avoid the chicken pox coming into our home. Two of the three who were vaccinated still got chicken pox. Go figure.
HPV vaccine
first of all, I would love to believe that vaccines actually infer lifetime immunity but that hasn't always proved to be the case and this is a very new vaccine.
If you are using a condom you aren't going to catch a sexually transmitted disease which is what HPV is. So far, I don't see the need to vaccinate for this. I remember the days when they used to say that you got cervical cancer if you were promiscuous, that there was a connection between multiple partners and this disease.
I caught HPV by having unsafe sex. I had it back before we knew there was a connection between HPV and cervical cancer. I had mild cervical dysplasia that was treated more than 20 years ago.
I want my daughter to have safe sex all the time.
More important that vaccinating against HPV, IMO, is to make sure that all women, from the time they are sexually active need to get regular pap tests done. My husband works in cancer research and he says that main reason that there is a public campaign to vaccinate against HPV is because not all women are getting regular pap tests. Cervical cancer, if detected early by a pap test, is a curable disease. He also says that cervical cancer is a rare response to a common infection. Many young women get HPV, their immune systems deal with it and they never get any cervical anomalies at all.
Another question, men are the ones who carry HPV, they could be vaccinated too or instead.
safe sex
I guess I feel that in the world as it is right with HIV out there, one cannot consider having unprotected sex until one has been in a monogamous long term relationship, marriage or other. I guess that might seem cynical but I feel that is the reality. I want my daughter to plan to become a mother as well, another reason for always having safe sex.
HIV has a very long incubation period. I have sexually active adult sons, one 19 and one who is almost 21. I think the fear of getting a girl pregnant keeps them using barrier birth control and for that I am thankful. A dear friend of mine died on new year's day of complications of aid related lymphoma.
So, in my ideal world, I don't think my daughter needs to be vaccinated against HPV with a new vaccine that doesn't have a long track record because she will always have safe sex, never be coerced or assaulted, and she will also go for regular pap tests.
Now which space ship do I take to get my daughter to that ideal world:(
But in all seriousness, I see your points too but so far remain unconvinced that this vaccination is a necessity for my daughter.
Knitting Woman, I have just
Knitting Woman, I have just one thing to say:
One out of Four.
Your daughter may never *intend* to have unprotected sex. But millions of women have unprotected sex forced upon them.
safe sex
I did mention that in my last post. In that case I think whether or not she has been vaccinated against HPV will be the least of the concerns. I still stand by my early post. Regular pap tests detect very early pre cancerous cell changes and at that stage cervical cancer is a curable disease.
My Problem With This
We vaccinate, so it's not that issue with me. And it's not the sex issue; I really doubt my DD would go out and have sex because she's had the vaccine. I really think that pregnancy is the foremost concern in that situation; kids don't think about disease, in my humble opinion.
I am concerned about the safety factor. How much testing has been done on this vaccine? What horrific side affects could turn up years down the road? I remember the drug given to women for morning sickness in the '70s. No one thought it was harmful, but then some babies were born with birth defects from it. I would just like to see some more testing and some irrefutable evidence that it is 100% safe for my daughter.
Vonnie
Clairee: The only thing that separates us from the animals is our ability to accessorize.
"Steel Magnolias"
protection for how long
I too have concerns about the safety of new vaccines. I also wonder about the idea that it conveys lifelong immunity. There have been other vaccines in the past that down the line have not confered immunity for near as long as they were supposed to.
Even if you do get your daughter vaccinated for this, and I know I am harping on this, it is so important that they understand that once they are sexually active that they need to get regular pap tests done.
Ditto to Safety
I second all you mom's that have concerns about safety. The "requirement" clause bothers me as well or "ruffles" my "mother protection" instinct...just a tad. It concerns me to have our daughters requried to have a vaccine, when it all seems so new and untested. What are the long term effects, I dont think anyone knows that at this point?
No way!
Its to new of a vaccine for me to give my daughter. They don't know all the side effects yet or if anything will develop from it down the road. I'll leave it up to her when she is alot older.

Shannon
SAHM to
Gage,
Merrian,
Jack and Lennon
Requirement
I very much want my daughter (who is 14 and not yet sexually active) to start her round of these vaccines. Since they take 6 months to finish, and she has Bipolar Disorder Type I, I do worry about her making a bad choice on impulse, although she is not planning to have sex anytime soon. (Whew!)
I'm of mixed minds about requiring it, though. I'm on Medicaid. Does it need to be a requirement for her to get it for free? Or can she get it because I want her to? Her ex-physician said we'd have to order it; he feels our rural/conservative area won't have enough interest to keep it around. Knowing how common HPV is, having it when I was only 25, and having part of my cervix removed (burnt off, actually) are reasons I want her to get it. They are also reasons I don't understand why parents __who aren't against vaccination in general__ don't want their daughters to have it.
HPV accounts for about 99% of cervical cancer. And though it usually isn't mentioned, this vaccine can protect males (and more females, since you sleep with everyone your partner has slept with), by reducing the rate at which women pass it on. Would so many people be against their sons getting it, I wonder? And how can information and shots (what fun those are) create a desire to go have sex? This is an argument I find ridiculous, especially when lack of info has been shown to increase activity and teen pregnancy.
Flu vaccine, from http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/12/051221091232.htm : "In a commentary on the studies, Professor Paul Glezen of Baylor College of Medicine, Houston said: "During the period from 1989 to 1997 the vaccination rate for people aged over 65 in the US increased from 30 to 67 per cent. Despite this increase, mortality and hospitalisation rates continued to increase rather than decline as would be expected if the vaccine was optimally effective."
So the flu vaccine isn't doing so great--the article recommends vaccinating school kids, because they transmit it to more people.
Chicken pox vaccine, http://larchmontgazette.com/2006/teenhealth/20061026vaccinenew.html : Changing the recommendations for the vaccine, to add another, because it isn't working as well as expected. The goal is adding another for the 4-6 year range, since teens are getting chicken pox--another group which can easily transmit it to a large number of people.
Cervical cancer is CANCER. They finally came up with a way to lower a very common cancer rate. Who would deny their child a cancer vaccine? Would it make a difference if it were breast cancer, prostate cancer, or pancreatic cancer?
Parents keep their contagious kids home--we hope--and teach them to avoid sick people. Parents are the ones who convey information--we hope--and values about sexual activity. The chance of not getting cancer, giving someone an STD, and possibly decreasing their daughter's ability to carry a child to term.... Again, why say no?
HPV vaccine,
I Say No
At least until I see more testing, and some proof that the vaccine isn't going to cause something as bad or worse than cancer in recipients down the road. If my child (God forbid) were to have a terminal disease and there was an experimental drug that MAY cure it or give them more quality hours here, I would *consider* it. But, if it were an experimental drug that should prevent my child from getting something, I would not do it. For me personally, this is much the same. And I find it both disturbing and not-so-concidental that the drug manufacturer is the main source of pushing for this. A little self-serving? Probably.
I am in Alabama and just today I read a small article that indicated that it was not required in our state and probably would not be. Is Texas the only state so far where it is required? That may be in an earlier post; sorry, I couldn't remember.
Just my $.02 on my personal views.
Vonnie
Clairee: The only thing that separates us from the animals is our ability to accessorize.
"Steel Magnolias"
safe sex is key, I agree
And I hope my daughters learn that from us. They'd better--John was an AIDS educator and I volunteered for years for Cascade AIDS Project. Nevertheless, at some point they're going to want to have unprotected sex, hopefully with their husbands. I agree, it'd be nice if men would get vaccinated for it too or instead, but it's rather like male contraception: They'd have little incentive to do it and a lot of incentive to lie about it.
You make excellent points.
Lynn Siprelle, Editor
Ditto.
Ditto.
To soon to tell...
I think it's all about the safety. This vaccine has had too many questions raised since it's release. I honestly think that this vaccine, by the time all the damage is done, will finally open parents eyes to the true risks/benefits of vaccines. It is true that many women die from cervical cancer, but it is also true that there are serious risks involved. If you vaccinate with this vaccine, you must be willing to accept the higher chance of vaccine reaction than your daughter dying from the disease.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/09/27/gardasil-n...
http://www.nvic.org/Diseases/HPV/HPVHOME.htm
It is ultimately a parents choice, I totally agree. I just wish that I could have said that I had given a truly "informed consent" when my girls were vaccinated as children. Instead, I feel as if I was given only certain information, and my need for information downplayed.
The best in your journey to choose! ~Melissa
anyone know?
Hi,
I wonder...why not to avoid all the controversy over the vaccine...was the vaccine not proposed for BOTH girls and boys.
Boys/men are carriers......would'nt the vaccine prevent the boys from becoming carriers?
Why was the vaccine approached as a "fix" for females?
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