Homeschooling Confidence

Submitted by Shaun on Thu, 03/02/2006 - 10:52am.

DH and I have each come home from school in tears in the last two days -- yes, I mean DH, not DD. We are struggling mightily to make school a fit, and I am ready to give up the fight. But I am full of self-doubt.

Not about whether I could be a homeschooling parent -- I think I could do a reasonable job -- but about whether I know my kid or not.

We had DD6 assessed because the teacher seemed to see such a different kid. IQ testing and achievement tests told us what we already knew, but in edu-speak: she's "exceptionally gifted," and anywhere from 3 to 7 years above grade level in various subjects.

After much negotiating we got DD6 placed in 2nd grade for 1/2 the day, with a plan to advance her directly to 3rd next year. But the 2nd grade teacher now feels she lacks the maturity -- talks too much, doesn't follow rules, spaces out and doesn't pay attention, wants to play all the time -- to be in 2nd grade. He was expecting her to be a high-performing go-getter (why, I don't now) but she remains unmotivated and inattentive most of the time. I think he's joined the team that thinks DH and I are just pushy parents who, in his words, "want her to be a doctor by age 10."

The 1st grade teacher likewise seems to think DD6 barely has the skills for 1st grade: she's always last in line from lunch and recess, she's disorganized, doesn't keep track of her things.

Both teachers report that she often seems to get angry out of nowhere and lash out at other students.

So I'm thinking, OK, school is a bad fit. Intellectually she needs much more stimulation than even 2nd grade can provide, and emotionally she needs more play and creative time than she is allowed in a higher-grade classroom. The other kids frustrate her because she doesn't want to work at their pace and she gets very impatient. She also just not much of a team player, to say the least. It's not that the teacher or the school is bad, it's that DD6 is highly "asynchronous" -- her mental and emotional/social skills are at widely different levels that can't be met in one classroom.

But the school is sending a different message. Both of our teachers have made a point of saying, "I've been doing this for x years" when telling us that we just need to relax and let DD6 "be six," as they say. They tell us she'll be happier if we just leave well enough alone.

The district gifted coach has a signifcant interest in assuring us that the schools should and will meet her needs if we just keep working at it.

The only thing everyone agrees on is that she is not working up to her potential, and seems to make a point of doing a mediocre job on most of her work.

I guess I am so worried about being perceived as, or just being, a pushy, smothering, know-it-all parent that I don't trust myself to assess my child's needs. I suppose it also relates to my own difficulties in "fitting in" as a gifted kid -- still trying to fit my square peg into the round hole, and taking the whole family with me! Sad

And yet I think about the extra time for her to practice piano -- which she loves -- compose music, draw, paint, and just goof around like a kid. I *don't* want her to be a doctor at age 10 -- but if she can be studying calculus at age 10 before going out to swing on the swingset and do sidewalk chalk with her little sister I'd be pleased. I'd love to have time to do the home religious formation that always falls by the wayside in our busy schedules -- talk about misplaced priorities!

And then again I think about the disapproving friends, family, school . . . I'm just exhuasted from trying to work the system, and I don't have any energy left for defending myself for opting out of the system. And then there's the whole issue of needing my income . . .

Gah!

Sorry for the long vent. What I'm really looking for is some perspective, some support in how to trust my gut, when my gut instinct is "run for the hills!" and let DH and his 2nd wife sort it out!

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Lynn's picture

Boy, does this sound familiar

Submitted by Lynn on Thu, 03/02/2006 - 11:16am.

This was me growing up. I was 5th grade reading level in first grade, college level by 5th, but I was still a little kid. No one knew what to do with me. My mom made the choice, wisely I think, to keep me with my age group, but I think I would have done better at home.

I have a good friend who's lurking around here somewhere--skelling--who has two kids who could be your daughter (I'm betting #3 is just as smart but he's too little still to tell). Her oldest boy especially is just scary smart, but he's still a kid. Her daughter looks to be the same way; she's an extremely precocious little girl who reads better than Josie and is two years younger. She homeschools, and I just can't think of any academic environment, frankly, where her kids could thrive.

Go for it, Shaun!

Lynn Siprelle, Editor

Kerri's picture

put like that...

Submitted by Kerri on Thu, 03/02/2006 - 11:48am.

it sounds easy, but if you don't have a supportive family Shaun it won't be, no matter what.

I'm in two minds because like most people here I've also been way above average on reading and some other skills, moved on, held back, bored witless and failed to reach my full potential. To some extent you need to prioritise, to actually make a choice, between DD's social life and her mental life, if you see what I mean. Being a loner doesn't mean she's benefit from homeschooling - I'm guessing it's the reverse really, and that it's the joiners who are better at making the most of homeschooling. I also know Shaun, that you've said you're a loner yourself, which could make it very hard for you to homeschool and still push DD into social situations she'll need to develop those skills.

With your own doubts and lack of support I'd be tempted to suggest that you keep trying to find a place for DD in the school system, but at her age level not her intelligence level. She can still read books at her level (in addition if necessary - mine do), but she'll have a load of playmates to choose from. She'll be pushed into social situations and she'll probably figure out a way to handle it. That's easier on her than making her a total outsider by putting her in a higher grade where she doesn't fit with anyone. She can decide what challenging extras she wants to take on, with you at home. That's often the way it works for parents with above average kids in some areas who don't feel homeschooling is an option. I'm not saying it's not an option for you, but finish exploring the school option properly first before taking her out, because putting her back will have won you enemies. DD should be no more than a grade above her age group, preferably not even that, and certainly not this awful juggling while one set of experts disagrees with the other set and DD gets more and more miserable and withdraws from the whole experience.

Probably the best thing you can do first is discuss it with DD. Find out what she likes, what she doesn't like, chat informally about some of the possibilities available, without making promises you can't keep - except the one that you'll keep trying to find something that works. I don't think your DD is too young, any more than mine was when I sat her down to discuss primary school near the end of kindergarten. She's have loved to be homeschooled, but in the end she decided she wanted an all girls school, and that's what she got. It worked well or her at the time, although you wouldn't believe it now because all her best mates are lads! She's 9 btw, and plays football with them. You can find out a lot about your daughter by chatting with her, finding out her views. She isn't too young, and you aren't asking her to make any decisions for you, just getting her explicit input on what makes her happy and unhappy.

if homeschooling doesn't seem like a perfect fit for your family at the moment, keep trying the school system for a bit longer. Oh and Shaun... for goodness sakes, get back that confidence you normally have in your own judgment. Your judgment has always seemed pretty accurate to me, and you probably understand DD better than anyone - I think you are quite alike?? Talk to your daughter, trust her judgment and trust your own, and don't panic that you haven't found the right path right away. Putting kids up a grade or two to their intelligence level is disastrous for their social and emotional development, and if they get put back later and end up repeating a year that's worse for their education than almost anything else - been there, done that, got the t-shirt!

Hang in there Shaun!

Kerri.

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I can't remember

Submitted by Becky on Thu, 03/02/2006 - 11:51am.

Is switching schools to one with a gifted class an option? DH and I were both asynchronous in the same way as your DD. He was skipped a grade, while I was put into the "gifted" class with people my age. I had a much happier school experience as a result. Coincidentally my parents were like that as well, and my mother who took honors classes with kids her aqe was a lot happier than my father who skipped a grade.

Kerri's picture

every time

Submitted by Kerri on Thu, 03/02/2006 - 11:56am.

I write an essay and Becky sums it up in a sentence!

Kerri.

Becky's picture

You learn to do that when

Submitted by Becky on Thu, 03/02/2006 - 2:13pm.

You learn to do that when you hate to write!

Honey's picture

Whereas....

Submitted by Honey on Thu, 03/02/2006 - 3:37pm.

..... Kerri is the sort of person who writes three sides of A4 paper every morning, for fun! Shocked

Shaun I didn't fit at school either, with a reading age of 15 years and 5 months when I was barely 9. I was never happy at school.

Ds was very able at school, but was always in trouble for being silly, being late from lunch, staring out of the window, etc. He was one of the youngest in his year at school and I always felt he was academically much more able than he was emotionally. Now I think it was more that he acted out because he felt emotionally insecure in school, rather than him being emotionally immature.He didn't fit with the other children, who mostly didn't seem to understand what he was talking about half the time. One teacher when he was 8 told me the other kids found him weird as he talked like an adult. He was also bored, understimulated and spent a lot of the time feeling anxious. He was a different child entirely at Sunday School and at the all day drama workshops he went to, the problem was only with school. Homeschooling has suited him so much better, he is settled, confident and happy.

I think you'd make great homeschoolers, and it would be great for DD because you understand her.
The decision needn't be permanent - could you homeschool for a year or so and see how it went, with the option of DD returning to school in the future?

Marlene's picture

Respect for homeschooling

Submitted by Marlene on Thu, 03/02/2006 - 5:09pm.

I have the utmost respect for all you homeschoolers. This became more popular when my oldest was in highschool. I don't think I could do it, I feel that I can't teach my kids everything that the state of Virginia requires them to know (and its a lot, and they are strict about it). Plus, I don't have a lot of patience anymore. I do read all the blogs and posts, and it fascinates me the way you do it!
Marlene

angelb's picture

Other school styles?

Submitted by angelb on Thu, 03/02/2006 - 5:33pm.

Have you looked into schools with other teaching philosophies? I know a number of parents with kids who were academically above age level but socially at age level who have been really pleased with Montessori schools. My nephew is also very much ahead of his peers academically but very much behind his peers socially and his folks are looking at a Regio (sp?) classroom for him next year. Both of these systems tend to have more self paced academics, but you still get a lot of the forced socialization that comes with traditional schooling as opposed to homeschooling. They also tend to be mixed age classrooms so there are older kids to model and younger kids to interact with too.

Honey's picture

Steiner Waldorf schools

Submitted by Honey on Fri, 03/03/2006 - 3:41am.

I always liked the look of those when DS14 was younger. I'd have liked to have him attend one, but there are none in our area. I think there is someone here whose children attend one.

Susannah's picture

Just wanted to encourage you...

Submitted by Susannah on Fri, 03/03/2006 - 11:09pm.

I'm loath to give advice, because I do have a (relatively) supportive family in regards to the homeschooling. I don't know what it's like to deal with heavy criticism from family.

But, I think you should do some reading up and investigating on homeschooling if you are entertaining the possibility. Find out what sort of support you have locally and see if the local groups will allow you to attend just to "check things out."

Do some reading on homeschooling. I always find this inspiring. Find out where you fit with the usual motivations for homeschooling. Find out which approaches closely match your philosophy on education. Find out what your philosophy of ed. really is! (Homeschooling helped me define that.)

Don't be intimidated by the "we are the experts" line you are getting from admin. and teachers. *You* are the expert on your own daughter. Ultimately, *you,* not they, are responsible for her education--you're just outsourcing to them right now. *They* are supposed to be accountable to *you.* So do a little research!

Check out the blogs at homeschoolblogger.com for real life experiences. Spunky Homeschool is one of the major ones.

http://www.homeschoolblogger.com/spunkyhomeschool/

Her blog seems to cover most of the major issues facing homeschoolers.

You may not agree with everything you read there, but even formulating why will help you start defining your own reasons for exploring homeschooling.

Finally, my favorite thing to do for inspiration is to peruse homeschooling catalogs. It opens up so many possibilities in my mind, even if I order very little. Ruth Beechick's books are a great starting-point resource. Very common sense.

I've come to the conclusion that homeschooling is actually more about relationships than education. Yes, knowledge is important, and obtaining the culturally accepted body of knowledge that one should is important. But having your son or daughter's heart for a lifetime is even more important. And for me, knowing that God has their hearts is far more important than everything else, even academics. Teaching is about far more than simply opening up their little skulls and pouring facts in. You want to engage her heart, not just her head.

Does that make sense? I'm too tired to clarify.

Love you!

Susannah

Shaun's picture

Relationships

Submitted by Shaun on Sat, 03/04/2006 - 8:42am.

Yes, this is a big area of concern for us. DH and I both feel that hounding DD about school -- not academic stuff, but "pay attention," "try not to be last in line," "where are your folders?" -- is having a negative effect on our relationships!

And of course the irony of being told we're "pushing" is that we're trying to get her the proper level of academics at school so that we don't have to drive around town or do extra work at home every night and weekend to "supplement" -- that feels like pushing to me. We feel strongly that a 6-7 yr-old ought to have lots of free play time, which we can't give her if we're using her free time to "supplement."

I think I am a weird mix of unschool and formal learning. For this age I think a lot of learning takes place through playing. She needs to learn with her hands and body as well as her eyes and ears. But I can also give her the short bursts of advanced math or science she is curious about, and I am pretty sure if we homeschool we will explore a foreign language tutor -- maybe for all of us at once! (Well, now I'm really dreaming.)

And at this point I think the focus of our homeschooling needs to be relearning that she is "good" as she is. As one of my first religious mentors always reminded us, when God created humans he declared them not just good but "Very Good." I'm tired of hanging the "underachiever" label on my baby.

I may have overstated the family disapproval factor. There is just one family member I really fear disapproval from -- my dad. Gotta please the daddy at all times! One of these days I think he's going to see that my unorthodox choices generally turn out OK.

Thanks for all your support. I know it sounds bizarre to say "I don't trust myself to know what's best for my kid," but when you're in the thick of it (and when people are pushing your own "when I was a kid" buttons) it is hard to know what you really think!

Kerri's picture

that's why we're reminding you!

Submitted by Kerri on Sat, 03/04/2006 - 10:30am.

it's easier to see the bigger picture when you aren't standing really close to it, as you are at the moment. I know how frustrating it gets when your chid is in a situation you are uncomfortable with and that is making them miserable too. Just don't rush any decisions. Try to explain to DD some of the reasons things aren't going smoothly - like that school needs to fit the majority and she's more special than that so it's not instantly comfortable for her.

I'm not sure you need to worry about extra classes outside of school at her age. When I said supplement at home I meant just the ordinary things you're already doing. From what I've heard about your daughter Shaun she'll educate herself if you leave the materials hanging around where she can get them. She's interested in things so she will learn a ton of stuff that's not on the school curriculum - mine certainly do. I agree with you about the free play time - that's a good chunk of the reason I pushed for us to move back to the UK. I hated watching my kids struggle with the over-scheduled schools in Singapore. But it wasn't the only reason of course, or it would have been a bit drastic!

I like the sound of the Waldorf schools, and when Honey mentioned it somehow it reminded me of you anyway - perhaps you talked about it some time back. Some kids do better with a mixture of age groups - my DD is looked upon as very odd for playing with a mix of age groups and a mix of genders. Her teacher commented on it the other day because it's pretty rare here. Funny for a kid who was in a girls' school by choice!

Just take your time a bit Shaun. Talk to DD. And try to let go of the emotional stuff for a moment so you can step back and see more of what's really happening. That's hard though.

Kerri.

Andrea's picture

Shaun -I have no great

Submitted by Andrea on Sat, 03/04/2006 - 3:47pm.

Shaun -

I have no great words of wisdom for you. I know that you know Sophie better than anyone else and so you need to really trust your instinct about her educational needs - academic, social, and emotional.

My thoughts and best wishes go out to you as you struggle with this issue!
Andrea

Becky's picture

how much have you discussed it with Sophie?

Submitted by Becky on Sat, 03/04/2006 - 5:19pm.

Because we moved so often when my sister and I were growing up, my parents had to make the where-to-send-them-to-school decision probably a dozen times or more. From what I remember, by the time I was Sophie's age my mother would discuss my schooling options with me in great detail and get my input on where I thought I would be best off. She would take me to visit a new school and ask me what I thought before putting me in it. There was one school where I was absolutely miserable and needed therapy to get over it, but I kept saying I didn't want to leave it because I had one very good friend there; she and I are still close today, and I am still glad that I stayed for the whole year. If you sit down and have a calm discussion about Sophie's options with her on a weekend when she isn't in the middle of a frustration, she might come up with some ideas that surprise you.

Shaun's picture

This is it

Submitted by Shaun on Sat, 03/04/2006 - 8:38pm.

Well, we've decided to do it. I think we'll be pulling Sophie out of school instead of waiting til the end of the year. (I won't bore you with any further details on the in-school problems). DH in particular feels strongly that every day in her current "toxic environment" (his words) is basically another day of crushing her spirit. (That's not intended to be an indictment of public schools, or even our school. Just the situation.)

So after a very extended spring break we'll be joining the ranks of all you homeschoolers that I've been envying from afar. Wish us luck!

Sophie in general likes the idea -- she has said several times that homeschooling sounds great because "then it's just right for me." If Sophie had friends she would really miss, that would be a factor, but part of the problem is that she feels so different from the other kids that she does not really make friends. She hasn't been invited to a birthday party all year, not even with the girl we carpool with (who made a point of telling DD about the party), and when I ask about who she wants at her party she mentions friends she hasn't seen for months or years.

And yes, for now we are thinking of this as temporary. We intend to look into other options for her once she gets a little older. I just don't want to drag her from school to school if we have another option. I think if we found the right place she'd love school-- the routines, the peer group, the social aspects-- but we need to wait until her "behavior" catches up a bit to her intellect. When DH talks about the nihilistic attitude he developed about school as a result of being totally bored I figure there's no harm in trying a different way.

Get ready to hear about our adventures and many many questions!

Kerri's picture

time for the homeschooling thread

Submitted by Kerri on Sun, 03/05/2006 - 2:22am.

to be resurrected by the sounds of it!!

Well as long as you and DH are both working towards the same thing here, and obviously DD is happy too, it should work well. As I said before, she sounds like the kind of kid who'd virtually educate herself because she's just so interested in things. You may find that your job is more to push for balance in what she learns!

Keeping an open mind about her future education is a good idea though. As you say, once her social side catches up with her intellect she might find school is a much better fit for her.

She's probably itching to get started now or I'd suggest a break from 'school' type activities for a while, let her recover a bit. I guess you could just let her lead the way for now, see if she wants to do something a bit more fun or she wants to 'do school at home' which can seem quite fun. Either way she'll learn.

Good luck Shaun. I think all you need to do now is figure out how you're going to get a break from her when you need it (and vice versa!) because that would be my biggest problem I reckon. Eye-wink

Kerri.

Lynn's picture

Good luck Shaun!

Submitted by Lynn on Sun, 03/05/2006 - 9:41am.

You and Sophie will do fine. It sounds like she's taught you a lot already. Oh, didn't I mention? The one really getting schooled is the mama. Eye-wink

Lynn Siprelle, Editor

Susannah's picture

Ha ha! Amen to that Lynn!

Submitted by Susannah on Sun, 03/05/2006 - 10:17am.

Isn't that the truth? Smiling

Andrea's picture

Great!

Submitted by Andrea on Sun, 03/05/2006 - 12:17pm.

Best Wishes Shaun! I hope that the hardest part is over - making the decision. I think we are all looking forward to going on this journey with you!

Susannah's picture

I like this site...

Submitted by Susannah on Mon, 03/06/2006 - 7:16am.

...especially the name: Guilt-Free Homeschooling. The "Taming the Laundry Monster" was encouraging. Perhaps it can be done! Ha! At any rate, you might not agree with everything you find here, either (we're talking hard-core homeschooler), but lots of good practical help is to be had.

http://guiltfreehomeschooling.blogspot.com/2006/01/start-with-reading-ha...

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