"My stomach hurts."

Submitted by Lynn on Fri, 11/18/2005 - 2:31pm.

Josie has had trouble with her GI tract for a while. It's better since we've gone off wheat but she still has gas, aches and loose poops, you should excuse the imagery. We're doing some work with the books Healing with Whole Foods (a truly encyclopedic work on using foods to heal from an Asian medicine perspective) and The Fourfold Path to Healing by some of the folks behind Nourishing Traditions.

The first thing I did was start her on a breakfast regimen of congee-style porridges. These are whole grains I soak from around noon to bedtime, change the water, and then put in a little crockpot I've had since forever and cook overnight. I put way more water in than usual--4 or 5 to 1--and add several slices of fresh ginger and some peppercorns. In the morning the grains (whole oats, spelt or brown rice) are very soft and easy to digest and the water's nearly gone. The ginger and pepper help with gas and digestion and make the porridge a little spicy but not obnoxiously so. Unlike a classic congee, which I know they wouldn't eat, I serve it with honey and a little milk.

I'll let you know what happens but in the meantime, anyone else out there with some wisdom to share on this?

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No wisdom to share

Submitted by silverbear on Fri, 11/18/2005 - 7:52pm.

But plenty of empathy for Josie! I hope she feels better soon.
One thing that did pop into my mind is a water-borne bug. Are you on municipal water? Do you treat it in any way? How is everyone else in the family doing, tummy-wise?
Hope it's resolved soon.
Rose

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Not a bug I don't think

Submitted by Lynn on Fri, 11/18/2005 - 8:57pm.

This has been going on, off and on, for more than a year.

Lynn Siprelle, Editor

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Stomache Pains

Submitted by Anna on Sat, 11/19/2005 - 6:19am.

DD10 suffered from severe stomache pains off and on for over a year until I finally took her to the doctor. I was told that even though DD10 was "regular", her bowls never emptied completely, leaving poop way up in her intestines where it trapped gas in little pockets causing those terrible pains. According to the ped, even though DD10 was getting enough fiber, she wasn't getting enough fluids. I have to really watch that she drinks enough (whatever amount that might be...). When she started drinking extra glasses of water, her stomache problems disappeared. If I hadn't seen the x-rays, I would have said that it was all in her head. I had never heard before that lack of fluids causes digestive problems and anyway, DD10 was drinking pretty much the same amounts as the rest of the family. I still can't figure it out.

The initial "treatment" was really harsh. DD10 was put on laxatives until her bowls finally emptied out completely. At one point, she had diarrhea while being constipated at the same time. How much sense does that make?! She has been pain free for almost a year now, though...

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This makes sense

Submitted by Lynn on Sat, 11/19/2005 - 10:16am.

And I'm sure this is an element of the problem. Josie used to drink quite a bit of water and lately she hasn't been. I'll start monitoring her water intake.

Lynn Siprelle, Editor

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Water breaks

Submitted by Susannah on Sat, 11/19/2005 - 11:11am.

I know my chronically constipated kid does much better when I schedule in water breaks. This is a good reminder to start paying more attention to that again. Trouble is, I can't get him to drink more than a sip at a time, so I have to schedule breaks every 15 mins. or so. Not easy to remember every day! Sometimes we set a timer.

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Just saw this post on gluten-free bread

Submitted by Susannah on Sat, 11/19/2005 - 11:57am.

Wasn't sure if this was Josie's problem, but the bread sure looks good. Smiling

http://www.homeschoolblogger.com/armoorefam/46368/

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Stress?

Submitted by angelb on Sat, 11/19/2005 - 6:06pm.

Do her episodes of GI distress seem to relate at all with stress in the household? I was about Josie's age when I first started to develop symptoms of what would later be diagnosed as IBS (Irritable Bowel Syndrome - couldn't they come up with a better name for crying out loud?). As I've gotten better at managing my IBS, I've found that for me, stress management plays as big a role as my dietary changes.

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that's what my IBD feels like

Submitted by Becky on Sat, 11/19/2005 - 7:20pm.

Not to scare you, since it's not the usual cause of these things. But the peds version of both Crohn's and colitis is hard to diagnose and sometimes requires multiple testing.

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it would scare me Becky!

Submitted by Kerri on Tue, 11/22/2005 - 2:47pm.

Well it would! But even so, it's still as well to mention it I suppose, but just remember not to go hunting for zebras until you've ruled out the horses. My daughter also drinks very little, and probably less now it's cold, and she's usually the one to complain of stomach pains and trouble.

On the congee front - I don't think I'd want it with brown rice, but white rice porridge is definitely traditional (Chinese) invalid food, for everything from bloated stomach to ulcers (I've been there on both counts!). My kids actually like it, having been brought up on it, but they prefer it with salty foods like we'll have beansprouts with soy sauce and sesame oil, or chicken in black bean sauce.

The other thing that's good for windy tummies is drinking hot drinks, especially plain hot water. It's a bit difficult with kids, but the warmer she can drink it the better really, and clear liquids are better than something like hot chocolate. This is also a Chinese remedy but it does have links to Western common sense too. Hot water bottles are good for easing any kind of tummy pain, and hot water works as an extension of that in some ways. Also cold water creates air and mucus, which is why it isn't recommended for someone with a cold either.

Ginger's a good choice! Smiling I'd say that if you haven't had her seen by a doctor it's probably a good idea to get it checked out since this has been going on a while. I left my stomach problems nearly a year and that was a huge mistake. Meanwhile a combination of basic Mom remedies will probably help ease her discomfort, poor kid. Good luck Lynn, and keep us posted on how she's doing.

Kerri.

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Re: it would scare me Becky!

Submitted by Lynn on Thu, 11/24/2005 - 3:43pm.

Kerri wrote:
On the congee front - I don't think I'd want it with brown rice, but white rice porridge is definitely traditional (Chinese) invalid food, for everything from bloated stomach to ulcers (I've been there on both counts!). My kids actually like it, having been brought up on it, but they prefer it with salty foods like we'll have beansprouts with soy sauce and sesame oil, or chicken in black bean sauce.

Yeah, that'd never happen here. Smiling I'D like it, but they'd never touch it. "Wegular wice" as Lou says, totally. But not porridge rice.

The brown rice congee is surprisingly good, and I find that the more water the better as far as flavor/texture goes, which is counterintuitive. Once you cook it so much it becomes gooey you'd best go for the gruel.

We've also found that spelt berries make delicious congee. The whole family liked that. I've started putting whole pickling spices in the grains as they cook overnight and the result is so sweet it almost doesn't need anything else. I put raisins in mine, and butter.

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"the digestive system has a small vocabulary"

Submitted by Becky on Tue, 11/22/2005 - 11:35pm.

That's the doctor's expression. Lots of different things have the same symptoms, in the GI system. That's why digestive problems are hard to pin down for cause and treatment.

tabbie's picture

Barley

Submitted by tabbie on Wed, 11/23/2005 - 4:39am.

I have read that barley is a good ingredient to make a congee, along with brown rice.

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Josie's a little better

Submitted by Lynn on Wed, 11/23/2005 - 11:58am.

The rice porridge seems to help, though she's not fond of it. She's also been drinking hot herbal tea with ginger (I found one she likes), and I've started giving her digestive enzymes. It seems to help.

She has been to the doctor; he said, who knows. There's nothing obviously wrong, and it's not debilitating. He said sometimes kids just have tummy aches and they grow out of it. So I'm basically on my own with this.

We'll have kombucha brewed on Saturday, so that will help too with the probiotics.

Lynn Siprelle, Editor

Becky's picture

doctor

Submitted by Becky on Thu, 11/24/2005 - 11:53am.

It is very, very, very, very hard to diagnose peds GI problems. If the diet change keeps helping, great-- you've solved whatever the problem was. If not, you may need to ask for a peds GI referral because regular FPs and pediatricians just are not very up on GI disorders, FTMP.

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Agreed

Submitted by Lynn on Thu, 11/24/2005 - 3:16pm.

Adult GI problems are almost as difficult. Right now, as I said, it's not debilitating, it's just annoying her. Her reaction to them worries me more than anything; she gets so worried she's going to have a stomach ache that sometimes she won't eat, especially eating out. And while it's a chronic problem, it's not every day or even every week (though the gas IS). So I'm not ready for a referral yet. I want to continue working with diet. I'm convinced that diet is 95% what ails most people, including me. Now if skelling would just stop bringing extremely yummy wheat-filled goodness to knitting circle, or if I could just summon up the willpower to stop eating it! Sticking out tongue

Lynn Siprelle, Editor

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Ditto

Submitted by Marlene on Fri, 11/25/2005 - 1:35pm.

Yes Lynn, you are right about GI problems being difficult. When I was 18, I stayed in constant pain and nausea. It took ELEVEN doctors and three years before they figured out I had gallstones. Why? Because I was young, and young people don't have this problem...sure whatever. They even tried to tell me I was nervous and sent me home with Valium!!!! I tried an all natural diet for awhile but eventually the gallbladder won and I had surgery. But I have heard of children having stomachaches and in their teen years get diagnosed with stones.
Hope Josie is feeling better, and tell her she has a lot of company in the bad tummy department!
Luv,
M

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Gallstones

Submitted by Lynn on Fri, 11/25/2005 - 4:19pm.

I had trouble with them too and had mine out about 4 years ago. I'll keep that in mind but I'm not seeing a correlation with fatty food and the pain's not in the right location. Thanks for bringing that up, though.

Lynn Siprelle, Editor

Becky's picture

location of pain

Submitted by Becky on Fri, 11/25/2005 - 7:03pm.

Doesn't mean too much with a kid. Children get referred abd. pain often. That's part of why they are so hard to diagnose. My disease usually takes a year or so to get diagnosed in adulthood, but since I was a child at onset the symptoms were so vague that it took four years from the first doctor visit to diagnosis. Not at all unusual for any peds GI problem.

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Have you tried the NT porridge?

Submitted by Anhata on Tue, 11/29/2005 - 7:45pm.

Cracked grains soaked overnight in warm water and two tablespoons of kefir, yogurt, whey, or something?

I did that last night with buckwheat and we had buckwheat porridge this morning. It was yummy and cooked up in about 5 minutes. I added a few raisins to it, butter, and maple syrup.

Although, I want to get a little crock like yours and do that congee too. It seems like a very, very good thing to have breakfast ready like that when you wake up! My crock is gia-nourmous and wouldn't do for just a cup or two of grain.

Or, once the woodstove is installed, I could cook the congee on that, overnight.

Almost forgot...you could have her checked out for food intolerances. You know she's intolerant to wheat, but there may be something else, too. Or a combination of two foods that doesn't work in her tummy.

I had DD tested and she's intolerant of potatoes and of the combination of fruit and sugar. I know I said this a few days ago somewhere else, but I don't remember where.

The homeopath on Fremont that we've been seeing (love her) does this testing with a little bit of drawn blood. DD didn't even feel the prick. Does your homeopath do this? She also tested at the time for mineral deficiencies, found some, and recommended a supplement for DD.

Anhata
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