Feingold Association, anyone?
Anyone heard of this? Or know of anyone who has? Or has anyone had success in removing additives from the diets of your children?
This is the link I have been looking at:
www.feingold.org
DS4 has some issues and I just really think I need to look into his eating habits, but I don't know where to begin. But when I came across this site and read some of the stories, I heard myself......people just say it is his makeup and he is just strong willed but I am just not buying it. DH even says "that is just McGwire, he will grow out of it" Well, when I came back down from wanting to slap him, I told him that was just really sad to me that we are just buying that "crap" and not searching several differnt things to help him. There just has to be something in his enviroment that is connected to his frustration, irratability and constant motion and talking. And guys, I am aware of the "normal" 4 yr old and my gut tells me he is not it. He has something else going on.
Any advice would be helpful. And prayers are ALWAYS welcome!
Jana
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I understand gut instinct
but my DS6 1/2 is definitely *more* than the average little boy. In his case I put it down to not getting enough activity to use up his boundless energy, and I'm hoping that will help him settle down from some of his awful tantrums - they're getting worse instead of better somehow. At the least little thing he goes off like a whole box of roman candles, and DD dearly loves to be the spark to his fuse!!
so... yes, cut down on the junk he eats where possible - if it's a seriously unnatural colour it's best avoided in my opinion! But also make sure he's getting plenty of exercise and also intellectual challenge. I would think though that he already gets both of those, so yes, if you're sure there's more to it, look further. Have you tried a doctor yet, or are you worried about the almost inevitable diagnosis of ADD?? I know I would be, especially in the US. Wanting to help your son doesn't have to mean getting him dosed up on Ritalin, although I know it really genuinely helps a lot of people (have to be careful people don't get defensive!).
Lots of sugar and/or caffeine can do lots of damage too, never mind the additives. Without making changes, perhaps you can monitor his 'diet' for a few days, see what might be triggering any problems, or where he's having too much of a bad thing.
Other than that I don't know, ebcause I'm not getting anywhere much either. If being able to tear round the garden all day doesn't help DS I don't know what will. Lots of exercise would be my first choice - cycling, roller-blading, skipping... particularly things which require some concentration. If he you know he can sit down and concentrate for a while on something (even if he doesn't do it often) I don't think you need worry about ADD. DS can become totally absorbed in a book or in a drawing, despite the fact that he can outlast a Duracell battery!
And remember to hang on! REALLY tight! If my DH makes comments like that I usually relieve my frustration by giving him a really tough thump between the shoulder blades. There again, he's pretty big size these days and he likes it because it loosens his stiff muscles!!
Kerri.
ADD/ADHD
I've heard of this diet. I got a flyer for it from the local health foods store and asked my mother if she'd heard of it, since she works with a lot of dyslexic and ADD/ADHD kids. She said she had heard of it and (I think) that some of her clients had tried it. I shouldn't put words in her mouth, but my impression was that she wasn't too impressed but thought it couldn't hurt, either. I've also talked to some other folks who find they really react strongly to foods, so there may be a population this diet might really help.
Also, I'm not anything close to an expert on ADD/ADHD, but my impression is that sometimes overly intense concentration can be part of it as well. I wouldn't dismiss concerns of it just because concentration is sometimes possible. (On the other hand, I wouldn't necessarily advocate drugs for it, though they, too, can really help some people. My parents keep pushing me to get checked and try them since my father has ADHD and he's convinced I must have ADD, too. He may be right, but don't tell him I said so!)
Avoiding additives
We don't follow the Feingold protocol per se, but we do try to avoid foods with artificial coloring and/or flavoring, artificial sweeteners, and overly processed foods. I do believe - quite firmly - that it makes a difference for DS7. When he does have food like that (for example, at class parties) his behaviour changes and he starts bouncing off of the walls.
I agree with Kerri about the need for lots of exercise. I bought a small trampoline for DS7 ($20 at Walmart) for him to use when it's too blustery outside for him to run around and work off his excess energy.
Some other things that I have found helpful:
1 - getting rid of the TV. Yes, this is radical. Our TV broke last August and I opted not to replace it immediately. Just to see what would happen, you know? Eight months later, I still haven't replaced the TV and I have absolutely no intention to buy another one any time soon. It's been great all around. DS7's attention span at school and at home has improved drastically. We can still watch DVD's on the computer, but that is more purposeful than the mindless consumption of whatever is on Cartoon Network.
2 - we do some "sensory diet" exercises found in the book, The Out-of-sync Child.
I'm writing a small novel here .. I could go on about this forever! Send me a PM if you'd like to discuss this further.
Rose
Rose - I will be PM you some time today.
I am heading to the library this morning to search some books.
As far as attention and stuff, I would say he is pretty "average" there. It is just some other things that seem to get me. He was up until 11 pm last night. He had no nap yesterday, was outside playing all day, washed cars, ran with the dog, played in the sprinkler with his brother.....still rattling at 11 pm. But is wasn't a "hey, I want to play" it was a "I can't get undone" kind of wake. This happens often.
As far as food, he eats better than DS7 in the veggie/fruit/try new stuff dept. We don't do caffeine, for the kids anyway!
Eat yogurt, healthy cereals and such. Or so I thought. When I went through the pantry last night I was in shock. Everything from our Special K cereal to the toothpaste has something in it.
So.....today I am doing research, at home and at the library.
We are starting off with scrambled eggs or oatmeal for breakfast and whatever we don't choose for breakfast I will make for lunch. Dinner with be fresh veggies and some kind of meat. I am gonna go back to basics for a couple of days and monitor a change.
As far as doctors, yes, I have spoken with some at different times in the past year. One wanted to put him on meds for sleep, another said he just had a lot of energy........we declined the meds....
I know he is an active little boy but when I think back over the 4 1/2 yrs of his life there are things that may be signs towards this intolorence of chemicals/additives so I would like to give this a shot.
Thanks for any and all advice!
I knew I could come here and get it from trusted friends!
Jana
Great idea Rose!
I love the trampoline idea. DS once did a photo shoot which involved him jumping up and down on a small trampoline with a little girl a year older than him. Both the little girl and the parent-onlookers were exhausted long before DS was. When they finally got him t do as he was told he'd been jumping on a trampoline almost solidly for 5hrs!!! And he wasn't even out of breath!
I also agree with the television. Wish DH would agree to me getting rid of it entirely. I could easily live without the f programmes I watch, and I've always noticed that as I let the kids watch more television they get far more rowdy. Then I go cold turkey for a while and gradually increase it. Now I don't let them watch any commercial television, only videos we've had for ages. I could wish that wehadn't just acquired The Incredibles, because now DS is imitating Dash, and he's going drive me nutso!
Jana, like you say DS eats better in all those ways than DD. It just occurs to me that DS is the one with fairer and more sensitive skin and he's the one who gets rhinitis. I wonder whether that increased sensitivity spills over into what he consumes. They only drink water and some milk most of the time, but like you say, almost everything has *something* in it, especially according to the Feingold list. I do remember looking at it a while back, but I think really following it would be more for people with extreme food sensitivities. As you say, the rest of us would do better to avoid too much processed food. Cut back, rather than cut out.
Can't say as I blame you on declining the medication either.
If he has trouble winding down, maybe you need to ensure things are quieter in the evening. No television after a certain time, no junk food after a certain time, a very specific bedtime routine that is rigorously enforced, maybe some soft music played each evening to signal bedtime is getting near... It's worth a shot, based on what you describe. Mine still share a room (for now, but not for much longer thank goodness!) and they do tend to chatter after lights out. But I put DS to bed first and he'll be asleep by the time DD is finished with her much slower shower. Careful routine is more important to some kids than others, but of some importance to all children, *and* their parents!
Kerri.
My mom used it with me ...
... and she swears it worked. I read in one of my university psychology classes that the Feingold diet has been discredited, but I don't believe it.
Danna =]
Feingold Association
I have used the program for over 2 years now and the improvment is wonderful. The whole family is on it and it has become a way of life for us. I would highly recommend you join, they send you a wealth of information in the package. It may seem daunting at first but it becomes second nature very quickly. Good luck!
Tina
Feingold Assn
I bought the first copy of Dr Feingold's book when it came out about 1974 because my oldest son was giving me fits...my 3 boys were raised according to Dr Feingold and they have turned out well.
I am ADD with asprin induced asthma and live by the book daily.
Feingold Association diet
I know that I am replying to a really old posting, but if it helps someone, I would be happy.
Yes it works for a lot of families. I used to work for a non-profit that worked with families that had children with various issues. I used to advise some of them to try the diet. It also works on teenagers who voluntarily stay on it when they lose their "brain fog." Also, look into trying the diet, plus fish oil, magnesium and vitamin B6. Good luck
Feingold diet
I used the Feingold on my son since he was 2 1/2 years old. It worked wonders. He is now 30 years old and can really tell the difference in how he feels when he is "off". His new wife is working with him to find suitable substitutes since he has been "off" for awhile and has gotten used to things that bother him. I have seen such an incredible change in him! It took me alot of work as he was growing up (especially since it was fairly new and there weren't the choices there are now), but seeing him excel was such a payoff. He definitely has ADD but is now working in a field that takes incredible concentration and he is near the top of his field. Good luck everyone and hang in there. It's worth it!
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