Where to school

We are getting ready to do the whole Kindergarten thing with Sophie and we are really having a tough time. I should say, I am having a tough time; DH feels less stressed and more certain.
Basically we are down to two choices: French immersion school (a public magnet not far from home) or our parish school. I have been interested in the French school for years -- I love the idea of bilingual education, and I know that the opportunity for reaping the benefits of an immersion environment is highest right now.
On the other hand, everything the kids will do at the parish school will be based on God and Christian values -- that is, the values we struggle to live by ourselves. She'll have teachers who know her and care about her personally, she'll go to school with the children of my friends and other families who place a high priority on values. But the school doesn't have any kind of formal gifted program and particularly in the upper grades (5th and beyond) may lack the resources to meet her needs. She is just sooo dang smart. And she can only enroll in French school in K or 1st grade (and obviously she will be at a year's disadvantage to most kids, simply in terms of following what's going on, if she starts in 1st grade.)
But I have lots of concerns about public schools -- they are so overloaded with mandates from the state that the teachers can hardly do their jobs. (Plus, Sophie's best friend from preschool will be going to the parish school.)
Then again, even though the parish school is affordable for us now, it will make it harder for us to save for high school, when I am sure we will want to go private/Catholic. And it is farther from home, though no more than a 15 minute drive.
DH is for the parish school -- he thinks Sophie needs the "values" more than the intellectual stimulation, which we can certainly supplement at home. Of course, he went to Catholic elementary school himself.
I have long loved the idea of French school and don't know if I want to let it go. She is so smart, and this is a wonderful opportunity for her that has a limited time window. Of course, I was always on the accelerated tracks in school and very driven to achieve, achieve, achieve.
Theoretically, I know that being a good person and learning to follow God is what is most important -- for us anyway. (Which doesn't require a religious school, obviously!) But I just seize up with tension when I think about giving up my beloved French school -- is it my ego or my gut instinct talking?
Now don't go telling me to homeschool! I think about it often and already feel guilty that I am not planning to do it right now! I am just too mean and driven to be a formal teacher to my children right now, and I don't want to work out those issues on their time. And I am way too uptight to do anything like unschooling -- it is just not my personality at all.
Anyway, any wisdom you have to offer would be appreciated.
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Maybe you could make a deal a
Maybe you could make a deal about this...
Try the immersion school first. Get to know the teachers and kids. If you start to have concerns, pull her out and put her in the parish school.
Of course, this advice is flavored by years spent in one Catholic elementary school or another (because PSes near military bases do tend to stink quite ripely for some reason). Kids were still kids, there were still kids who were picked on, teachers were not uniformly nice or caring, and it certainly did not do a thing to implant Christian values or belief in my adult life.
On the other hand, since you are intimately involved in the parish school, you will have more weight and involvement than my parents cared to have.
How much is $$ a factor? I thought that there was a discount for church members (though maybe it varies from parish to parish?) Are there scholarships you can apply for or maybe a discount if you attend year after year? You might as well look at ALL options, before making a decision...but please keep in mind that any decision isn't going to be etched in stone. If one doesn't work, go for the other!
Does the parish school have a neat music program, or other challenging/fun activities that you can get excited about, if you decide to go that way? It might take some sting out of the bilingual thing (which I too would be drawn towards!)
-Kitty, mama to Fiona, Thomas, and Dylan.
Hmmm...
It's hard o let go of a cherished idea isn't it. I had that with the homeschooling about 18mths ago. I can recognise, after the last 6wks of pure hell, that it wouldn't have worked in a million years, but I hated the alternatives and I was desperately clinging to it.
Second language from a young age and Catholic schools... I actually have experience from both of those. People respond differently to Catholic schools... the more gentle types will be happily brainwashed, and the others (my mother included) will probably play truant to go scrumping for apples in the Fall!!
My daughter falls into the first category, at least as far as school is concerned. She plays doormat at school and comes home to play hellion and let it all out! You have to be comfortable with other Catholics of a less broadminded bent teaching your daughter her values. Some of the things I hear after school are enough to make my hair curl... I cringe quietly if I'm feeling peaceable.
As for second language... I always thought it was a wonderful idea to be taught French from a much younger age too. 11yrs old when I started is really far too late... just at the point where all kids are self-conscious too. However, and this is from experience... unless the person at home with the child also speaks the second language on a DAILY basis, it will likely not be quite as impressive as you might anticipate. My kids were already self-conscious about speaking Chinese with their father and aunt by the age of about 4. They didn't mind with their grandparents, because they didn't have much choice, but they'd still use more English than Chinese if possible. I'm the same... I'm quite comfortable speaking pidgin Chinese to my MIL, but DH would struggle to get a sentence or anything out of me.
I can't help you make the decision because all I have to offer is my own experiences, and either way there are both pros and cons. I've had my kids watching French teaching videos for a couple of years, and they love that because any television is better than none at all. Have you already introduced Sophie to basic French?? Do you speak to her in French, read to her, let her have access to French spoken language in any way at all?? Until you've done that and seen her response it would be unfair to try and push your cherished dream onto her. If she loves it you've got ammunition. If she hates it you've got your answer!
I assume you've told her many times that her name is a very popular French name... how does she respond to that??
Kerri.
thanks and more info
Thanks for your thoughts!
Kerri, as to your question about French: DD is so strong with language that I think a language-oriented program is a good match for her. She also loves to ask, "How do you say that in XYZ language?" Last year for Christmas (at 3.5 yrs., mind you), she asked for dictionaries in several different languages. (OK, she didn't say "dictionary," she said "books that tell you what different words are.") I do happen to be very good with languages and love studying them, but I think I've passed this on to her genetically, without trying.
Kitty, the parish school does have some things I like, including fabulous Kindergarten rooms and Spanish classes starting in K or 1st grade (not immersion, but at least exposure).
What I forgot to say is that academically the school has gotten mixed reviews. Many parents absolutely love it. Some people move to the neighborhood for it, and families who don't go to our church use the school. On the other hand, as I have asked around, a number of parents have told me that the school was not up to meeting the needs of gifted kids. A friend told me point-blank yesterday, "my son's needs were not met by the school" (he was talented in math) and "he was miserable." Another friend at church just silently shakes her head at me when I mention the school.
Ack! It's just too much for me!
Sounds like it could be rathe
Sounds like it could be rather unbalanced, which could lead you to more trouble down the road. If the emphasis is so strongly on language that other areas are neglected, that would definitely not be a bad thing. I'm with you on the importance of language, and I CHOSE to do French law in French at university (bad plan!), but I still wouldn't want to have the French at the expense of a balanced education. Learning any second language is useful I know in a broader sense, helps in the overall learning process, as well as tending to introduce the culture of the language being learned... all great incentives, but you can't have Sophie struggling with maths and science in which she may not be quite as naturally adept because the school encourages the thing she's strongest in. At this age I reckon it's better to offer something more balanced and rounded, rather than playing to a strength and having her move further away from other subjects at such a young age.
The more I hear, the more I would say that the parish school would be the better option. Of course it's only kindergarten, and whilst you don't want to be shifting around too much, it's still not a last-chance decision. The problem is that the decisions about our children's education are the ones we tend to be most anal about - hence my problem over primary school for my DD and my near headlong rush into homeschooling which wouldn't have been right for me as an individual, as right as I think it is in general. And the first decisions are the harder ones, even though it's the later ones which are more important. Find out everything you can about both the schools, particularly by visiting both schools. Talk to your daughter about what she wants, trying hard not to colour your questions so she supports only your perspective... she's not old enough to make the decision for you, but she's old enough to have opinions (especially since she's your daughter!
), and if you ask questions like what she's looking forward to about school, or what she likes already (has she been in any programme up to now??), maybe show her things like Sesame Street videos about school (I have that one and it's quite useful? just see what her own expectations and feelings are about school. It might help to inform you. As your husband says, you can always try teaching her the French at home if oyu decide on the parish school, and of course you'll be instilling good (Catholic) values whichever school you choose.
It's too early to specialise, no matter how important language is to you both. She still needs to get through a decent few years of high school maths and science even if she's a writer too. And it's up to you to protect the balance in her education - just to load on a little more pressure!
Kerri.
On the other hand, it'd be a
On the other hand, it'd be a shame to pass up a chance for language acquisition while Sophie's at such a great age for it. I'd want to ask the French school some pointed questions about what happens if Sophie falls behind in science and math. (I suspect it'd be much easier to teach her science and math at home than French, unless you're a native speaker of French, but then I'm a science-and-math nerd.)
The parish school sounds to me like it could be rather dreadful. "Silently shakes her head"? "Miserable"? Yikes. Those are some impressively bad reviews, and I wonder about the stories behind them. While it's true that every place has some people who are unhappy, my own experience tells me that people who are unhappy about a school often know something that others don't.
-- Cam
Another Thought
It sounds like it would be harder to go from Parish to French than vice-versa. If I were you I would:
Try them both for a day, they must have a visitation day program. See how you, Sophie, and dad feel about both days.
If they still seemed evenly matched, start at French to see how it goes. If it doesn't work out you could always move to the parish school, but Sophie would probably be able to fit in more quickly and easily than doing the switch the other way.
It has been my experience that "fit", that is, the child and family feeling comfortable and happy in the school community is the most important predictor of success in any school.
Good Luck!
-Jo
I vote French
If Sophie's as gifted as you say she is, she'll be miserable at the parish school. I say any kid that'd ask for language dictionaries at 3.5 belongs at an immersion school.
And I would never bust your chops for not homeschooling, though gifted kids are naturals at it (and you really would do better than you think you would). Sophie's already doing it in any event.
Just make sure that whatever you choose doesn't either crush her love of learning or pervert her intelligence into her only sense of self-worth (something that happens to a lot of gifted kids--it sure happened to me).
Lynn Siprelle, Editor
thanks again!
I so appreciate this forum for helping me think this through!
I think I've realized that some of my anxiety about the issue comes from wishing the parish school were a better option. I love the idea of sending her to a small school with our family friends. Because of all the terrific public magnet schools here, all the kids on one block can go to 15 different schools. I love our parish community, and I want to support it. I also do get a lot of subtle pressure from friends at church to consider the school. So I think a lot of the loud, unintelligible anxious sounds in my brain are guilt and wishing for a different reality.
Lynn, I *so* know what you mean about defining your self-worth by intelligence. That is something I am still working on. It's part of why I fear homeschooling -- I have too much invested in my kids' intelligence too, and I need to get over that. And it's part of why I have seriously considered the Catholic school, as a way of emphasizing the "whole person," not just academic skills.
Jo, your point about the ease of switch from French to parish versus the other way around is one of those forehead-slappers! Makes perfect sense -- why did that not occur to me?
Still, I am keeping an open mind (as much as I can) until we are done with our tours.
Only 18 years to go! (And I *won't* be surprised if we have done some homeschooling by the time we're done. I am helping my sister-in-law out with an "online" Shakespeare study for my niece and some other early teen girls. It is purdee cool!)
Off topic...
sorry, but I just read this (short!) news article before coming over here, and it made me chuckle to see how right it was:
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/040109/80/eioct.html
Kerri.
My 2 cents
Well, you came to the conclusion I did before I got to post here. I was just going to say...
1. Forget about what other people think and do what you really want to do; and,
2. It's not going to mess up her education if you have to fine-tune your decision later.
You'll have figured out after a few weeks into it if the language program is working for Sophie. Sounds like she'd love it! And you can always do the "unschool" thing at home...i.e., surround her with lots and lots of interesting books and learning tools, which of course, being quite literate yourself, you are already doing.
So don't worry, it's all going to turn out just fine.
I think the best way to get over the intelligence-anxiety with our kids is to focus on helping them become who they are meant (or created, in my view) to be. Your DD is just like you, so that's easier for you to understand. But my DD is as different from me as if she came from another world! I have to interpret her through her father; she's exactly like him. There are lots of different kinds of intelligences. My DD will never have lovely handwriting and will probably never be a terrific speller, let's just put it that way!
She's not a detail gal, she's a big-picture gal. Each of us is given gifts that enrich our own lives and the lives of others, but they are only as useful as our character is good. I guess I'm trying to say that there's a lot more to education than just "getting smarter." Kindness, wisdom, perseverance, self-control...these undergird knowledge and ability and make them useful. If the French school supports (or at least doesn't work against) those things, I say go for it!
just a little affirmation
I went to a French school when I was in first grade, and although it was so difficult that I thought my brain would explode at times, it was such an incredible opportunity that I was even grateful for it at the time and cried when we moved to a new city and I couldn't go there any more. (It's true-- you can ask my parents.) One thing to address, though: like all teachers, my teacher there sometimes got upset with the misbehaving class, and yelled at us in French. This frightened me at first, when I did not know what she was saying, but I felt much better when my mother told me that she had spoken to the teacher before enrolling me in the class and the teacher liked children and wanted them to be happy.
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