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Ending Child Support

Lynn's picture

Good grief. (You may not like the rest of the contents of this blog, but this entry is worth it.)

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Well!

Susannah's picture

Just break out the violins!

waaaaaaa!

Ameeqt's picture

I can't say what I want, so I'll only say
you want some cheese with that?
Amee

Uh-Oh

Danna's picture

If this is the same thing that I read about a while back, then it's truly frightening. If this is the same thing, what it does is give you instructions on how to TERMINATE YOUR PARENTAL RIGHTS. If you're not legally your kid's father, you don't have to support him! Hurray! Now you have legally severed your relationship to your child and your child is essentially fatherless. What a great solution!

Danna Shocked

(lynn, i joined this site so

t.a.'s picture

(lynn, i joined this site so i could respond to this.)

yet another reason to be glad we live in oregon, the most civil and sensible state in the union.
when you divorce in oregon with children, you are given a simple form. both parents list their income & how many kids. a quick bit of math and reference to a table, and the amount of support is determined, as is each parent's percentage.

every penny goes to the custodial (usually) parent for actual support. when a child goes to college, the child gets the support -- directly. it's that easy. this is, i was told by our divorce lawyer way back in the previous milenium, based on the federal model, and it works very well.

i know in some states, they have more draconian rules (e.g., some judge decides based on "findings"). here, you can seek modifications under clearly stated rules. if's a fair system, and it works for the kids.

I think this is a perfect

Guest's picture

I think this is a perfect example of how people react when you force them up against a wall with no where to turn. Child support was only originally designed to be ordered in the cases of poverty stricken children, child support is unfair and I don't see any reason why a custodial parent should necisarily be given the money for the child, the non-custodial parent should be allowed to spend what ever amount they deem appropriate each month. I believe each parent must take care of the bills for their own home, and expenses. One should not assume that they rae entitled to the same standard of living as before the divorce, because it comes at the expense of deminishing the standard of living of the parent who pays the money. This cannot be equal protection under the law, and that ladies and gentle men is not fair.

child support experience

Jennmommy5's picture

...I know child support varies by state and I live in NC. My experience with child support has been very different. I have two children from my first marriage. The biological father of these two children was charged with abuse, when he was charged he decided to stop paying the non ordered child support that we had agreed on and had worked for us for 3 years. I always allowed him to pay what he could afford as long as he was trying. Since I discovered he was hurting and neglecting my children on his every other weekend visits and I had him charged there was enough evidence for child protection to issue an order saying he couldnt see them until his trial. So he stopped paying anything. I decide to try the route of child support enforcement. It took me 4 months to get an appointment where I was given a long list of items to bring back in and an appointment for two months later. I come back now six months in armed with all the paperwork and pictures and last known addresses, practically having to be my own detective. Then I am told until they can track his social security number and find a legal physical address on him I must wait. Four more months pass. Now I am 10 months in and not a dime. None of this time has to be back paid as there is no order. Then finally an address. We are mailed a court date for six months later. Now I am sixteen months in. Then at the court date he is ordered to pay a wopping 155 dollars a month! He is claiming he is working for his sisters husband and that he only makes minimum wage. Really he works under the table for an electrician making 10 dollars an hour. I can't prove it though and child support says hire a private detective and prove it and we will take him to court. Now I have missed days of work for going to appointments, days missed for collecting information, days missed for court. All this for 155 bucks a month! Somehow I am supposed to hire a private eye? to miss more days from work for maybe 50 more bucks a month? yea right. He is convicted of the abuse but gets off with no time beccause he has an otherwise clean record. His rights are terminated though. Now the upside of this states laws is that even if he terminates rights as long as dna says they are his he has to keep paying. The downside list is longer. You cant reach a person if you have questions, need to sit down and talk to someone ( hope you have six months to sit and wait beccause we have way to few caseworkers and the courts are backed up like crazy), even though his brother in law is supposed to garnish it from his paycheck it never is paid on time and as long as he doesnt get more that 3 months behind they wont even send a "hey you" letter. The system is a failure no matter how you cut it. I don't worry to much about it myself, I can support my kids on my own. I just happen to feel he should help to the best of his ability. I can only imagine that there are women and men out there who really need this money to help them out. Then the kids suffer. I also imagine that in some places the one paying suffers and the kids suffer then too. The only answer is to make child support an issue to our state governments. Child support legislation is election time only material, if even that. It seems issues where children suffer always get swept under the carpet....child abuse, sexual predators, poverty, health care for children. Until the citizens stand up for kids rights things will never change.

Child Support must end

Guest's picture

The system is corrupt. Stop paying into this corrupt system. Union is power. Let the system collapse. The two parents should decide on their own how much children need and resources available.

The money is not going to help the children, but to support mommy's lavish lifestyle.

Women, if you can't or don't want a man in your life, don't go bitching about it. Get off your lazy asses and find a job.

Fathers - give your boys the best gift ever - a vasectomy.

Men - avoid single mothers like the plague. They gained the experience and will turn it against you.

Uncle Sam - passport revocation on overdue child support is wrong. We are citizens of the U.S. The passport is an act that reflects citizenship. It has nothing whatsoever to do with child support, just as child visitation is claimed not to have anything to do with child support. No passport, no taxes paid.

We will revolt over these breaches of constitutionally guaranteed freedoms and the price will be high.

Mr. Child Support

Michele Douglas's picture

Hey there Mr. Mysoginist. Ever think of getting your free ride off women you might have to pay? Try it buddy. Perhaps it might put a dent in your stupid budget. If ya don't like family, go hang out at a bar. Nothing comes for nothing fella.

Is there any hope

Guest's picture

I totally agree. As this is the first time that I have ever blogged and I am writing this because as of recent I am obligated to paying child support and an now suffering financially because of it. My question is how can the courts determine that this is the in the best nature of the child? Why is it that the courts don't take into consideration the debt obligations that have been previously established before an court order was put through. Honestly, I have no problem paying for my child while he is living with his father, but how far does it go? Do I have to move my family? Do I have to get a PT job (only to have those wages garnished because I have arrears)? I can't go back to court b/c according to my states law, justification for modification can only result if there is an exetreme loss of income. Well, I'm not one to job hop so I will be staying with this company and of course there has not been a drop in my income but there has definitely be an increase in our expenses as I have a new born baby to consider as well as all the expenses that come with a new child. Hospital bills, doctor visits and the ultimate daycare bill.
So again I ask...is there any hope???

That is a pretty generalized

Todd's picture

That is a pretty generalized comment. I have an ex-wife who decided to keep our first child, abort our second without telling me until later, and now gets $1,100 per month from me. All I wanted to have is a family. Instead a murderer goes free, keeps what is most precious to me, and deprives my new wife and two children of a decent lifestyle. There you have it... the good 'ol US of A at it's finest. I will gladly take my daughter without a dime of support (or even pay for the privilege of having her) rather than continue to deprive her siblings of a minimum standard of living. Perhaps the next time my 4 year old is wearing clothes from a garage sale while her older sister is wearing the finest clothes available, you can help explain to her why the system is so fair to ALL children and not just to those of loving fathers who cannot live with a murderer.

deadbeat MOTHERS.

dMH's picture

All you ever seem to hear about is deadbeat fathers in the news, and all these new laws that the crook Blagojevich came up with to further screw the working father. Yes there are alot of guys out there that don't want thier kids, and don't want to pay child support, but there more that do. I had a great relationship with my little girl who just turned 13. Since 1999 I was ordered to pay $154 twice monthly, but somewhere along the line I started paying $266 twice per month for whatever reason, although the origional order for $154 twice monthly still remains. I didn't mind paying more because she was supposedly getting taken care of. My ex hasn't had a job in years, she claims to have all these medical and mental problems, and is always high on medication, slurring her words etc. in 2000 she attemped to overdose on medication and spent a week in a hospital. The police who responded to the scene said my daughter, who was then very young, answered the door and said her mommy was on the bathroom floor. She begged me not to take my daughter away from her so I didn't. As the years went by she became more strange and vindictive and several times she tried to withhold visitation from me and I had to take her to court to have my visitation enforced. A year ago I moved to Michigan for work and of course this put a strain on our relationship but my daughter understood why I had to move and we still talked alot. As I was working at a new place my child support was no longer getting deducted from my checks on a regular basis so the checks I sent became a little to irregular for my ex to continue her lavish lifestyle. About a year ago she went to one of 10 million free legal services for women (there are NONE available for fathers) and she had the child support enforced and garnished from my wages. Funny thing is instead of enforcing the $266 twice monthly they enforced the $154 which was what was on the court order. However they took her WORD and decided to say I was over $1000 delinguent and added additional money from the deductions. I pulled the transcropt of total payments from SDU and it clearly reflects I have been paying $366 twice monthly since 1999. A total of about $67,000 when I should have only paid $27,000 at the rate of $27,000. So clearly I have been over paying but none of that seems to matter to these crooks. I filed an appeal 4 months ago and haven't heard anything. Furthermore about 6 months ago my daughter suddenly stopped talking to me, wont take calls, won't return calls, not only from me but my family and her mothers. Her mom is so nuts she's told her all kind of stuff and in isolating her from the world. I can't afford a lawyer so there's nothing I can do. Please... If you can relate, or you feel this is an injustice please spread this around. Women like this need to be locked up. Now because of this my daughter will grow up screwed up.

Child Support

Guest's picture

As a mother who stayed married to my child's dad I never collected child support. I do have an usuall perspective on this subject. I believe that Dads get the raw deal on this matter. I have known divorced mothers who collect child support and have come to the realization that there has to be a better way to do the child support thing. I watch as mothers who recieve child support squander the money on themselves. I have a friend who drinks away the money and then can't ever provide her kids with money for school activities etc. I have watched this woman buy very expensive things for her boyfriends (cars, snowmobiles, etc.) but when her children ask for money she has fits. I really think that there needs to be a way of monitering how a custodial parent spends child support money. Maybe instead of handing custodial parents cash to spend as they see fit courts can order non-custodial parents to pay certain bills. I can tell you from personal observation custodial parents misuse the money they are given to raise their kids.

Bill paying over just cash a great idea

Guest's picture

I think the idea of having a non-custodial parent pay certain bills, rather than handing over cash directly, is a great one. Perhaps this is something states should do through a third party depository.

My husband (before we were married) fathered a child to a woman who shortly thereafter married another man and in 3 years paid over $75,000 in child support (taken directly from his paycheck) while the mother got evicted, on average, every 8-10 weeks for both failure to pay rent and for offensive behavior. We weren't upset about the money until we found out that the mother wasn't using it for basic needs, but was spending it on herself.

Finally we were able to secure legal assistance to prove the mother was unfit and was denying us visitation rights, and found out that the mother had had another child born during those three years who was removed for neglect; had been arrested 3 times (and convicted) on drug charges during those 3 years; and social services failed to notify us of these activities because of "privacy" issues, which seems completely insane to me. Her arrests were public record but because we live in a different city, we did not find out about them until we hired a lawyer to try to get custody after the mother consistently denied us visitation, disobeying the court order. Ironically, when we kept inquiring about child custody, we were told that judges almost ALWAYS keep a young child with the mother as long as there are not neglect or drug issues - but because her arrests were in 3 different counties and her neglect removal of the other child was still yet in another county, somehow she slipped through the cracks. As the non-custodial parents, we were not even allowed to visit her pre-school. (And we do understand that in some cases, especially if the child has been awarded to one particlar parent because of abuse or other serious issues, this is necessary, but at no time did anyone say my husband was unfit; it was just an uphill battle to prove that a biological father should have been considered as equally as the biological mother for parenting a child.) Finding out about drug or neglect issues is considered a privacy issue until a parent is actually convicted and it becomes part of the public record.

There are many deadbeat, unconcerned dads out there but my husband was not one of them, and it really opened our eyes to how very difficult it is to secure custody of a young minor child from the biological mother, even when the biological father and stepmother have no drug/drinking issues/criminal records. Our private attorney was able to get a county judge to see that it made no sense to automatically assume that the child's mother was a better parent just because she had given birth.

Privacy laws are so awry that despite the fact that we had thousands of dollars taken from my husband's paycheck electronically, and there were never any allegations of abuse that would have necessitated privacy of the mother's whereabouts (we realize there are many cases like this), if we had not had been able to hire a lawyer, we may have taken even longer to get my stepchild. The mother refused to update her constant moves with us, which is why it took us so long to keep tracking her down - all banking was done virtually.

We have had a happy ending, finally now raising our precious little girl alongside our other children, but I shudder to think of other children living in poverty while the mother (or parent) is getting adequate income to support a middle-class, safe, lifestyle.

The government should make it MANDATORY that if a custodial parent consistently refuses to pay rent, that pro-rated part of the child support can be given directly to a landlord and utility company just for that purpose. Our child's mother was given a non-taxable income approximately TWICE the average family income of working families with TWO children in our state to support just this one child, yet she chose not to pay rent. She did, however, buy herself a new car and clothing, all the while (we found out later) returning for cash the clothing we sent monthly to my stepchild through a PO Box. We had to prosecute for her failure to obey visitation and even that was difficult, since she moved from jurisdiction to jurisdiction and each time she moved, we had to start filing charges with a new DA, only for her to move again.

Having this kind of system - direct debit from child support for rent/utilities before disbursing other cash - would also help those poor single parents (overwhelmingly women) who are NOT getting regular support from deadbeat non-custodial parents because it makes it easier to prove to a judge that the mother is truly using the money for needs, not desires as a deadbeat dad might claim. Few people can claim that housing, heat, and food are frivilous. The non-custodial parent would pay the same amount as before, but know that at least his/her child was sleeping in the same home.

Why can't our legislators consider this system?

Any ideas from custodial parents who have seen the flip side of this and think there might be other ways to assure consistancy in housing and other basic needs for the minor child?

This is just one reason that

Guest's picture

This is just one reason that I and other men are simply refusing to marry-- EVER-- even if they want children. It's not the best thing for the child, but marriage simply gives women too strong of an incentive to divorce and collect massive checks with ZERO accountability. And all their friends tell them how great it is, getting something for nothing, when they're just partners-in-crime with the government.
Only a FOOL would ever get married: and everything here is just living proof.
The government claims it doesn't have "time or money" to monitor women's behavior, but it sure doesn't have any trouble making sure men fork over the cash! That's taxation without representation, and it's one reason that men are having fewer children while divorce-rates get ever-higher.
My brother's ex-wife even has 7 kids from four different fathers, and she collects from all four of them... and this is NOT an isolated occurrence, but is increasing all the time.
Even if it was only a 1-in-5 chance, that's worse odds than Russian Roulette-- at least you have only a 1-in-6 chance of getting blasted.
But the simple fact is that a man has NO control over his wife deciding to divorce, and still get custody in over 90% of cases-- which means AUTOMATIC CHILD-SUPPORT-- even if she marries a billionaire. And the now-rich ex-wife just continues to collect, and says "well that's what the law says" when it's obvious she doesn't need the money, and is just doing it for revenge.

But as the saying goes, "fool me once, shame on you- fool me twice, shame on ME;" so I don't blame any woman for this, when the statistics are right up here for everyone to see. I blame the men who just keep on jousting that windmill.

Wow. So sorry you feel that

jennye's picture

Wow. So sorry you feel that way. Not all women are like that you know. I've been happily married for 15 years and 4 kids later, still crazy in love with each other and each other's best friend. I couldn't imagine my life without him or our children in it. But I honestly believe that if we did have our differences, that I wouldn't be money hungry and he would be supportive of our children. I've seen divorce with my parents, and regarding child support they were still amicable. There is no reason not to be.

Just saying, all women aren't like that. Some of us are pretty good and don't have dollar signs in our eyes.

Jenny
http://heresyourtrouble.blogspot.com/

Men with custody who lie and use the children

Guest's picture

I have an unusual situation. I am a mother who has joint custody of my children, but the father ended up with Physical Placement in 1996, because I left an abusive relationship and had no job and no place of my own! These poor children of mine have been so brainwashed by the ex-husband and his family and the courts continue to believe this abusive, controlling, manipulative sociopath! He has been receiving child support from me all these years. He never pays his bills, he has filed bankruptcy 3 times since 1989, thank goodness I was not involved in any of his bankruptcys. They have moved at least a dozen times since 1996. The children have no stability with him and the courts continue to say they are fine where they are. He makes WAY more than I do (I am also supporting another child I have living with me) and I pay this asshole 25% of my GROSS income. He does not buy the kids clothes, shoes, school supplies...I do! I have saved all my receipts and have the proof.....the courts have no proof from the ex that he has ever bought those kids anything they need. I have also received several calls from the school they go to, informing me that their father has NOT paid their lunch account bill, and if I couldn't pay over the phone the kids would not receive a lunch that day! So, of course, I pay it. My oldest child has also on many occasions had to take the younger child out for dinner because the father had no food in his house,my child has also bought him extra school supplies with his own money, and given his sibling money from his own pocket to attend school functions. (I just found all that out right before our court date) The kids were too scared their father would yell at them if they ever told me about his living situation. The courts do not see anything wrong with this, so called father....they say he is doing nothing wrong. LMAO What..isn't that borderline neglect? No...in this state he can do WHATEVER he wants with that child support money and claim the kids on HIS taxes. In the meantime, I work only part-time, he gets 25% of that and 25% of any bonus I were to ever receive and I pay the health, dental, and life insurance on the kids and the bills all come to........you guessed it ME! Because the "father" doesn't pay bills, so you see, the Dr.s all want to get paid, so then they come after yours truly!
I guess what this is called, is a deadbeat dad who RECEIVES child support.....3 more years and counting.......
The laws REALLY need to be changed to PROTECT the children, like these so called agencies claim they are doing. Instead the custodial parent gets a handout to do what they want with.

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