Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Narcolepsy, Restless Legs Syndrome
I am interested in beginning a support group for Chronic Fatigue sufferors. I would love for anyone to offer words of encouragement if they also experience this horrible illness. Please only offer honest and factual feedback related to your fatigue experience. Those of us who are plagued with extreme fatigue don't have the time and energy to spend all day online. I'm neglecting home chores and valuable sleep in order to begin this. I appreciate your understanding.
Alittle about me to begin this.
I began with fatigue problems in high school My restless legs also began then. I correctly self-diagnosed my RLS (Restless Legs Syndrome) in early college years. My fatigue continued to increase. I was highly motivated and always extremely energetic. But when I slowed down, I crashed and had a hard time getting myself going again. Naps were evil traps to suck out all of the rest of my energy. I laughed when people told me that they felt "refreshed" after a 10 minute nap. What is "refreshed?" I began to doubt myself and wondered if I was "lazy." But I refused to believe it. I was so busy, so anxious to do things or get things done. I just had a really hard time getting myself up out of bed.
In January 2001, I couldn't take it anymore.
I was and still am a physically fit, 5'4", 120 lb, extremely active mother of two and stay at home mother. I work out 3 times a week to Advanced TaeBo. I play 4 on 4 volleyball for 2 hours once a week. I am a highly intellectual person. I was paid by the university to teach undergraduate statistics during my senior undergraduate year. I was offered a teaching position in the mathematics department when I graduated. I obtained a Psychology degree with my focus and passion on child and primate cognitive development.
I was smart enough to know that my fatigue wasn't stress related, physically unfit related, laziness related, overwhelmed related, or anything else that couldn't be ruled out. I had to pursue my family physician for 9 months (test after test coming up negative) about what the problem could be. Finally, a friend of mine asked me, "If you are getting all this sleep and still not 'getting enough to feel rested,' are you getting the 'kind' of sleep you need?" What a great idea! I took it to my family doctor. He sent me to a neurologist. Lo and behold, a new relationship began!
My neurologist asked me questions that got me excited!!! Do you have creepy crawly feelings in your legs? Yes. Do you have overwhelming desires to take naps during the day? Yes! Do you fall asleep at the car's driving wheel while waiting for the signal light to turn green? Yes! Do you feel groggy when you wake up in the morning after 8 hours of rest? Yes! Do you fall asleep while you are talking with company at your home? Yes!! Do you uncontrollably fall asleep in embarrassing public situations? YES!!! Do one or both of your parents battle with fatigue problems? YES!!! Do you wake up from naps: confused? unable to walk or talk correctly? slightly paralyzed (trip when walking or slurred speech when talking)? YES, YES, YES!!!! I knew that I finally was were I needed to be. I wasn't crazy anymore. I didn't care if he told me that I had cancer and needed surgery and radiation. I didn't care if he told me that I had an inoperable brain tumor and would die in 3 months. I didn't care! I knew that I wasn't crazy!! SOMETHING was WRONG!
So, the first sleep lab study, 2001, showed the most extreme case of untreated Restless legs that he had ever seen. I had an average of 274 leg movements each hour. I had about an hour of total REM sleep in the 9 and 1/2 hours of sleep that night. I began taking Mirapex. It was perfect for the first 3 months. I woke up "refreshed" after 8 hours of sleep! I finally knew what "refreshed" meant!! It was wonderful. Some mornings, I actually "tried" to fall back asleep. I couldn't!! It was GREAT!! Then I began to crash slowly over the next 9 months. My doctor kept upping the dosage. Finally, he suspected another underlying condition. I had another sleep lab study, 2002, and it clearly pointed in the direction of narcolepsy or Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS). I slept perfectly all night (9 1/2 hours of sleep). Then I had 5 nap studies done the next morning and afternoon. I had an average of 3 1/2 minutes to REM stage sleep.
I began taking Provigil for the CFS. It has been wonderful. It hasn't relieved my symptoms completely. Far from it. But, when I don't take it, I am amazed at how I was able to function with the exhaustion I was undertaking. No wonder my brain was mush. My memory was gone. Reaction time was slow motion. I am happy to say that I feel good all the time and tired some of the time. Before Provigil, I was exhausted, incoherent and just reacting to stimuli around me. I am thankful that I didn't have a car accident after all the times I got home without remembering the drive, or the episodes when I woke up to my vearing off of the road. I always explained that my exhaustion felt like a computer that went into sleep mode. The computer was "on" and ready to carry out a command, but the monitor was blank and the operating system standing by. Like the old time saying, "Lights are on but nobody is home." I'm so happy and thankful for Provigil.
But, I still suffer from overwhelming desires for daytime naps (which suck all the rest of my energy and leave me drained after I am forced awake), overwhelming fatigue if I sit still for 10 minutes or more (I play pop-a-shot if I get tired at the computer or I get up and grab some snacks to munch on), uncontrollable sleep attacks in embarrassing public situations if I am forced to sit still, and lastly I'm still extremely groggy in any situation when I've fallen asleep and am trying to wake up including each morning. But thankfully, in each of these situtaions, I experience fatigue only when I've allowed myself to slow down and/or sit for 10 minutes or longer.
I have some little things I do to help my fatigue. I can alaborate furthur at another time since my evening has so quickly turned to morning while I write about my experiences.
My goal is to advocate to others, who experience fatigue, some possible underlying causes and to minimize their time in reaching them. I hope likewise, others who have felt what I have and have relieved the fatigue further than I, will willingly pass the same experiences on to the readers and myself. My objective is relief, peace, and motivation to live and love life to it's fullest!
Tired but excited with what the future holds,
Angie


healingwell
Well, I don't have CF, although I suspect I have RLS. (If I do, it's minor - mostly buggs me when I"m on prednisone). But I know of a great site that has a support group for people with CF. The link is http://community.healingwell.com/community. I found it because of my Crohns Disease, and it was really helpful.
Hi, Angie. I've had disabling
Hi, Angie. I've had disabling (but improving) CFS since 1996, though mine manifests somewhat differently. (Sitting down isn't bad. It's that classic post-exertional malaise that really kicks me in the teeth these days.) I'm always happy to hear about little things people do to reduce and manage fatigue.
If you aren't already familiar with the works of Floyd Skloot, let me recommend them, especially The Night Side. Skloot is a former Type-A hotshot who was suddenly "geezered" by chronic fatigue syndrome.
I laughed when people told me that they felt "refreshed" after a 10 minute nap. What is "refreshed?"
Heh. My reaction was, "Who takes a nap for just ten minutes?"
-- Cam
Oh, and I'd suggest broadenin
Oh, and I'd suggest broadening it to include folks suffering from fibromyalgia. There seems to be some significant overlap between fibro and CFS.
-- Cam
Improvement
Hi Angie et al,
I've had ME (Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, which is what true CFS is called outside the US and I think is a better name for it) for six years now, and the most debilitating form of it for the past two. There are several things that have helped me and although I still have a ways to go, I have made tremendous strides in the past few months. First I would reccomend reading Dr. Jacob Teitalbaum's book "From Fatigued to Fantastic!" This book is one of the most, if not THE most, respected book on the topic and he gives crystal clear suggestions for us. Until you get a hold of the book, you can begin to study his protocol on his website, endfatigue.com.
I would also suggest that you take a look at http://www.fibrocenters.com/. I have been visiting the center here in Seattle since September, and that is when the strides in my improvement began. They took the most comprehensive blood work up and evaluation of anyone, and their treatment protocol is logical, methodical, and so far, effective. It's also expensive, but what are you going to do? Continue to see doctors who don't know what they're doing and scratch their heads or misdiagnose and cause further damage? I decided there was no wiser way to spend my money than to do whatever it takes, and I'm glad I did it. I am happy to offer more suggestions, but I hope this is a start.
Best wishes.
reply to Angie's post regarding provigil and chronic fatigue
DEAR ANGIE: I joined this site just to respond to your blog and I'm already glad I did as there may be valuable info for me in the responses to this blog I also have fibromyalgia, am 51 and find the chronic fatigue to be mind-blowing My symptoms are similar to what you wrote I came across Provigil by doing online health research and was able to get about 2 months' worth and found the same fantasic results that you described
Now I am fighting Medicaid for the payment of this drug so that I can continue it (living now below poverty level while waiting for my disability case to come to up)
Am curious how you have fared since writing the blog here and want to ask if you could please send me any info that you have come across as I am now writing my appeal Please reply direct to my email: verak.white@gmail.com MANY THANKS, VV
Fibromyalgia
WOW! You guys sure have some great info. I have been fighting Fibromyalgia for over 20 years. Once I found a Rheumatologist who researched and tried to help me but then I was told that this isn't a disease for Rheumatology but there were no suggestions as to what specialty it might fall under.
I am going to see if I can try this Provigil. I have been on increasing doses of Dura-Gesic and my husband is battling metastatic bladder cancer, so since it is just the 2 of us, I have to keep pushing.
I like that comment - a 10 minute nap! With FMS you don't get the restoring rest no matter how long you sleep.
Thanks for the info,
Marcie
CFS Versus Narcolepsy
What a wonderful read Angie.
I self-diagnosed myself to be suffering from Narcolepsy and RLS until I chanced upon CFS today.
I'm so confused now...
What should I pursue a treatment for: NARCOLEPSY or CFS?
Does anyone out here believe in homeopathy?
If so, pls do visit http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/chronic-fatigue-000035.htm
Once again, can someone please tell me what i should self-treat myself for..
RE: CFS vs. Narcolepsy
Hello Mark,
I have suffered CFS/ME for many years, and also have symptoms of narcolepsy. I took an overnight sleep test at a local hospital where I was diagnosed with sub-clinical narcolepsy and prescribed prescription sleep medication. I never touched it, because I have also been diagnosed with CFS from the Fatigue and Fibromyalgia centers, and my inkling was this--perhaps if we treat the underlying cause of my symptoms, the symptoms should go away? Always, always, always, ask that question. Once you have a diagnosis, ask the question "Why?" Chances are there is something greater yet to be uncovered and treated.
I digress. I recommend the sleep study first because chances are it is covered by insurance. If you take this and you are not satisfied that the results uncover the full story (nevermind what the doctors SAY in interpreting the results, what do you feel?), then I would suggest you find the nearest Fatigue & Fibromyalgia center and have them screen you for Fibro or CFS. This is expensive, but could be the most important invenstment of your life. It was the beginning of the rest of my life
I wish you your best health!
LolaSeattle
Provigil
Hello friends,
I see a lot of talk here about Provigil. While I am so pleased that this medication has helped you with your symptoms to some degree, my concern is that it is preventing you from uncovering the CAUSE of your symptoms. 20 YEARS OF FIBRO???? No one should have to suffer that. And no one should ever be okay with anything other than their best health. Both Fibro and CFS are difficult to treat, and treatment can be long-winded. It will involve treating your body on so many fronts, it's dizzying: nutritional deficiencies, hormonal dysfunction, cellular metabolic dysfunction, detoxification issues, digestive issues, . . . the list goes on. But my strong belief is that until you address all these things, you cannot ever have your life back completely merely by popping this one prescription pill.
Which do you prefer?
I wish you all your BEST health. Yes, you CAN have it back.
LolaSeattle
I have enjoyed reading the
I have enjoyed reading the comments about narcolesy and CFS. I supposely have both and maybe Fibro. I have taken Provigil, concerta, ritalin, dexaphetamine and I still have a hard time finding the exact dose for by self. I have alot of brain fogs and I get alot of blurred vision. At times I think I,m crazy, but the more I read I know I,m not. If anyone has any suggestions I would appreciate reading them. Everyone is different and when I finally found out what my ilness was it all made sense to me. It has taken alot of my life from me because I have limited alot of energy. I feel lucky that I can still work full time, but it doesn't give me alot of time for much more. I am thankful because I could have something worse, so I do have a good attitude. I wish it would just go away.
CFS and RLS sufferer here
I have been to SO MANY other forums and websites about CFS to try and find some useful information, but it never seems to quite match what I'm going through. Until I read Angie's bog. I immediately sent the link to my husband and mother, who are suffering through this with me.
To introduce myself a little, I am a 35 mother of 3 young children. I am currently on medical leave from teaching, which I have been doing for 12 years. It is almost definite that I will have to retire because I am still not able to function enough to hold down any job, let alone one so demanding.
In addition to CFS and RLS, I also have Crohn's/Colitis. This disease for a while also crippled me to the point that I could not leave the house. I eventually had to have colectomy to remove 80% of my colon at the age of 31 because there had been precancerous pollups found during a routine colonoscopy. I also have a degenerative liver disease called schlerosing colangitis, which my doctor's tell me will eventually lead to a necessary liver transplant. Thankfully, though, this has given me no trouble for years. (knock on wood)On top of all these things, I am constantly nagged by other minor things, such as the eustacian tube disfunction I am currently experiencing which will most likely need tubes. Ugh!
I can't remember a time when I didn't have RLS. I suffer from that all day and all night. I also take mirapex which has significantly helped, thank the Lord. I have been plagued with extreme fatigue since 1994 when I was in college and had mono not once, but twice. I have never been the same since then. For years and years, I have seen more doctors and gone to more clinics than I can count. I've had so many blood tests that have come back negative that I feel there should just be some kind of tap somewhere on my body so they don't have to keep sticking me. I've been admitted to various hospitals so many times for tests and studies that I have a collection of hospital bracelets hanging in my room. Gives me a chuckle every once in a while.
I have looked into the fatigue centers that someone mentioned, but since I am not able to work, there is no way I can afford to pay for that. I have tried to find someone at John's Hopkins that specializes in CFS only to find that "no one here" does that. I've had so many sleep studies done, that I know all the technicians names and they know my name. I could go on and on and on.
After years of constant searching and dedicating this school year to finding something that will help, there still are no answers. To the person who mentioned treating the underlying causes and not the symptoms, that is, of course, my goal. However, in order to get through the days NOW I am trying stimulants, such as Concerta. I don't think any of us will stop looking for what the underlying issue(s) are, but in the meantime something must be done. I am interested in the Provigil that has been mentioned a few times. It's definitely worth mentioning to my doctor as something to try. Can anyone tell me dose has been effective?
Thanks a million and may your legs rest in peace
cfs
i got diagnosis with both. thanks for suggestion of the drug. i am taking Physcial Therapy with a warm
water exercise program. i still have pain, but i think the therapy is working. i got a support group that just started with other people with the same problem. if you can find a group or would like to start a group that would be great. i have had the problem for at least 15 years. now i have insomnia on top of it.
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